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Tumblr fixed the polls

Slightly disappointing, but it was fun while it lasted and honestly, these were bugs that made sense to fix. So kudos to @staff for the prompt patching of the polls API.

glowingclitmagnetraccoongirl

My mom is surprisingly ok with the whole raccoon girl thing. Her main flaw is that she seemingly thinks all trans people do the same stuff I do, and she has no filter. Two days I’m dreading:

  1. The day when she sees another trans person and asks what kind of animal they are.
  2. The day when one of her church friends starts ranting about people identifying as animals and my mom (unable to recognize the negative tone) starts talking about how her daughter has a tail now and offers to help their son also get a tail.
satanfemme

following that last reblog, something I think a lot of people don't realize is that when you make it impossible to safely discuss suicidal thoughts and suicidality in your communities, a lot of suicidal people are not just going to continue repressing those thoughts and urges indefinitely (and that repression itself is a problem too btw, but I digress). a lot of suicidal people are going to seek out new communities where they can be open and honest about their feelings. there are a lot of pro-suicide communities on the internet who are very welcoming to desperate lonely people like this. and I mean, can you blame people for going there? if their options are 1) "open up to my friend/therapist/family, get the cops called on me, get tied down and strip searched by a medic, be imprisoned and traumatized in a hospital for a few days, lose thousands of dollars, never be trusted around medicine or sharps again" or 2) "anonymously make a new friend online who'll listen to what you have to say without judgement". like yeah. obviously people are going to choose the latter option.

make yourself a safe space for your suicidal friends, or you suicidal friends will find their own "safe" space somewhere else.

satanfemme

a tumblr reply by traggots. it reads, "i was having a related conversation to this about 'ai suicide' lawsuits the other day and how much evidence in these cases is the bots responding to ideation with 'its understandable you feel that way' and 'it must be comforting to have the control of knowing you could make this choice' rather than calling someone to lock up or shoot up their kids."ALT
a tumblr reply by traggots. it reads, "people vehemently fucking hate the idea of treating the suicidal in any way other than brute force dehumanization so much theyre suing robots for having made kids feel that something was kind."ALT

@traggots literally. literally. the way people are talking about "ai suicides" is one of the things that has made me realize what I'm talking about in this post^ needs to be said in the first place, because so many people think like. people are just asking chatgpt to write a grocery list or whatever and then getting unceremoniously coerced into suicide by it out of nowhere by a malicious force. and also that suicidal people are completely thoughtless and motivated by nothing in particular in their actions.

but it's very obviously lonely people who are already suicidal, without a safe outlet, finding what is essentially a safe outlet in a high tech diary where they can bounce their own thoughts off a wall, and then yes following through on those thoughts and urges since they evidently didn't have any outside help in the first place! made only more evident by the fact that the people in their lives were so out of touch/in denial about their loved one's emotions, that they felt the suicide could only be explained as something spontaneously and wholly prompted by a machine (very "social contagion theory", very "rapid onset dysphoria" adjacent thought imo).

banning chatgpt/ai (as some people are suggesting in response to these) is obviously not going to make the problem go away, and I don't think it'd even act as a bandaid to the problem. ai in this instance is fulfilling an emotional need for people that is going to continue going unfulfilled until the root causes are addressed (ie. until people can talk about this shit with other people and get a kind and understanding response instead of threats).

until then people are always always going to be finding alternative outlets to express these emotions in a safe, or at least safer, manner. if it's not chatgpt, it's a pro-suicide forum. if it's not a forum, it's an old fashioned paper journal. etc etc.

suicide prevention means making yourself a safe space for your friends, which means not calling the cops or 911 on your friends, not enforcing a taboo on their thoughts and emotions. it means responding with kindness and curiosity, and offering actual material help. and if you don't make yourself a safe space, they will find their own safe space elsewhere.

self-loving-vampire

Problem #1 regarding child abuse is that a lot of people seem to struggle to imagine normal, respectable-looking parents and other authority figures ever doing it despite the statistics so instead they do the stranger danger panic and completely overlook some of the greatest threats.

Problem #2 is that even when people understand, even if in an abstract way, that parents can be abusive they just... don't seem to actually register that as something that can apply to real life. It's just hypothetical to them and doesn't actually guide their ideas of how to prevent child abuse.

Problem #3 is that even after overcoming the above biases a lot of people have a very narrow image of what abusive parenting is where they imagine like... people doing violent things basically out of sadism and without provocation. They don't seem to think it's "real" abuse if the victim did something that "justifies" punitive violence, like disobeying the parents.

In fact, most people think parents have a right to do a whole lot of awful things to their children beyond just hitting them, like violating their privacy, controlling their access to information, and deciding what/when/if they eat, among other things.

self-loving-vampire

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Only the countries in red have banned child corporal punishment.

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You might notice that for starters not a single one of the top 5 most populous countries in the world (representing 45% of the world population just by themselves) has a ban.

Globally speaking, most of the children in the world live in places where it is legal to hit them (up to 86% are not protected by law as of last year, according to UNICEF) and even where they have legal protections there is the matter of social acceptance and enforcement.

self-loving-vampire

We can't even get people to stop making "cute" memes about how "la chancla" and "el cincho" ostensibly fix children.

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We are not even close to escaping this hole.

evilsoup

i remember there being a couple of posts on here that got fairly popular presenting not hitting your kids as like a "white people thing (derogatory)". Literally woke apologia for hitting kids.

enjolrasofficial

as someone living in a country where it is in fact forbidden to physically punish your children the first thing my mum taught me was that it is not only important that the parents know it is illegal but also that the CHILDREN know. as a small child or even as an older child who gets punished physically the chances that you actually know that what's happening isn't just Wrong but also Officially Illegal are slim to none. so i've been witness to her going up to parents who were threatening or hitting their children more than once. every time she told them very politely "hi sorry, i hope you're aware that it is illegal to hit your children. should i call the police or will you stop doing that on your own?" and the parents would look super pissed off but the kids would look very suddenly very interested. especially older sisters always seem to take the information that it is in fact okay to call the police if being hit by their parents very seriously. and one time my mum did call the cops. on our neighbour. never saw that guy again but his son to this day comes over to say hello every time he's in town. so be kind to your children. protect other people's children and help them protect themselves too.

the-real-seebs

protecting children from violence: much more radical than it really ought to be at this point

profrobertnotchristian

"most people think parents have a right to do a whole lot of awful things to their children beyond just hitting them, like . . . controlling their access to information, and deciding what/when/if they eat,"

What the actual fuck? Preventing my child from accessing material that is too violent or too sexual is child abuse? Deciding when meal time is and what will be served is child abuse? (Denying them food of course is child abuse.) So someone should call the cops because I don't like my 8-year-old watch "A Clockwork Orange" or eat a cup of sugar for breakfast? The person who wrote that sentence if fucked in the head.

self-loving-vampire

So when I wrote that I was thinking about things like parents trying to indoctrinate their children into following their own worldview by preventing them from having real information about other points of view and generally isolating their children to facilitate broader abuse.

For example, parents who are hardcore religious fanatics raising their children to have slave-like obedience to the parents' religious beliefs and being banned from learning about stuff like the theory of evolution or texts about religious abuse that could help them understand their situation.

Or, to give another example, parents who try to prevent their children from learning that queer people even exist at all, or otherwise acquiring any information that could cause them to reject the bigotries that the parents wish to promote. This is not hypothetical, it is common across multiple cultures in different continents.

However, I do also think that if a minor wants to watch A Clockwork Orange or whatever that is 100% fine. What do you think is realistically going to happen if they do?

Learning about uncomfortable topics through fiction you have a complete ability to just put down and walk away from is the single safest way to do it if anything, and people do need to learn because it can have applicability to their daily lives, even for things that you might assume are too "mature" for them. Children can grow up having to deal with practically all the horrible things people consider to be "for adults only" and it is useful for them to have access to information on that.

Ignorance does not protect anyone, knowledge does. People who try to deny access to information under the guise of "protection" actually seek control in practice.

witchofanguish

orthogonal is actually a really good word, so this is entirely fair

witchofanguish

Seinfeld dialogue if they were on the Supreme Court

pathless-wood

Lawyer Richard Friedman: I think that issue is entirely orthogonal to the issue here because the Commonwealth is acknowledging--

Chief Justice Roberts: I'm sorry. Entirely what?

Lawyer Richard Friedman: Orthogonal. Right angle. Unrrelated. Irrelevant.

Chief Justice Roberts. Oh.

Justice Scalia: What was that adjective? I like that.

Lawyer Richard Friedman: Orthogonal.

Justice Scalia: Orthogonal?

Justice Kennedy: I knew this case presented us a problem.

Justice Scalia: I think we should use that in the opinion.

Chief Justice Roberts: Or the dissent.

--exchange during oral argument in Briscoe v. Virginia (2010)

dark-magician-girl-meets-world

I tried distracting a vampire by throwing rice at him, but I only had two grains with me so it didn't work. He counted them instantly. Then he asked me what I was even doing with exactly two grains of rice, and I explained how a bowl of rice tastes better if you spread it out over an entire day. I asked him if he was gonna suck my blood but he said no, he just had a lot more questions about the rice thing.

communistkenobi

sometimes when I get mad online I have remind myself that the coolest and most reasonable friend I have doesn’t know who dril is and asked me to explain what the acronym “MCU” stands for, because she spends most of her free time watching documentaries about industrial disasters with her girlfriend and going to quarries to collect rocks together. a better world is possible and it’s out there right now